Small home · Licensed for 6 · Garden Grove
Palms Bay Guest Home
13032 Laird Street, Garden Grove, CA 92843Licensed since 2025
Overview
No openings reported
- Approved by the state: Wheelchair · Dementia · Hospice · BedriddenState licensing record · October 26, 2026
- Licensed for 6: a small care homeThe state license record
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Care and support
- Wheelchairup to 5 residents
- Dementia
- Hospiceup to 6 residents
- Bedriddenup to 1 resident
Approved by the state · State licensing record · October 26, 2026. An approval may cover specific rooms or residents; it does not establish an opening.
Read the state’s own wording
AGE RANGE 60 AND OVER. APPROVED FIRE CLEARANCE FOR SIX(6) OF WHICH FIVE(5) MAY BE NON-AMB AND ONE(1) MAY BE BEDRIDDEN. BEDRIDDEN CLEARED IN BEDROOM #2. WAIVER/GRANTED FOR HOSPICE CARE FOR (6).
983 - RCFE / DEMENTIA
CDSS record, verbatim · October 26, 2026
As needs change
Staying through hospice
Hospice waiver on file · covers up to 6 — care may continue at the end of life
State licensing record · October 26, 2026
If memory loss develops
Dementia-care designation on file
State licensing record · October 26, 2026
We’ll ask for you. Not on file for Palms Bay Guest Home: two-person transfers or a lift, who is awake overnight and help with medicines. When we check availability, we ask about these too.
Check availabilityWhat it costs here
Covelight estimate
$5,050a month to start
Likely $4,100–$6,200
From 22 nearby homes that publish rates · this home’s rate is not on file
Monthly cost breakdownWith a shared room and basic help · room, care and fees$5,050likely a month
Starting monthly rate$5,050likely $4,100–$6,200
Covelight’s estimate starts from the rates 22 small homes and similar homes within 5 miles publish, then adjusts for this home’s size, state care approvals, Medi-Cal waiver participation, years licensed and the area’s prices. In testing, the likely range held the real rate for 6 in 10 homes. This home’s own rate is not on file.
Basic help with daily careUsually includedup to $600
Basic help is usually part of the starting rate. Homes that price care by level start around $600 a month (44 California homes publish a care-level range, seen in September 2026).
One-time move-in fee$2,500one time · likely $0–$4,000
Homes that list a one-time entry or community fee charge a median of $2,500 (133 California listings; middle half $1,000–$4,000). Many homes list none — ask.
- Likely monthly totalLikely $4,100–$6,350
- $5,050
- First monthWith a one-time move-in fee · likely $4,850–$9,550
- $7,550
How people payPrivate pay, Medi-Cal waiver, SSI/SSP, veterans, insurance
- MedicareDoes not pay for room and board in a care home. It can still cover hospice or home-health visits inside one.
- Private payMost residents pay from savings, a home sale or family help. Ask for the rate and what it includes in writing.
- Medi-Cal Assisted Living WaiverThis home is not on the DHCS participation list dated October 1, 2026. Ask the program about current options. The waiver pays for care services, not room and board.
- SSI/SSPCalifornia’s 2026 standard is $1,626.07 a month; $1,444.07 of it goes to the home and $182 stays with the resident. Whether this home accepts it is not on file — ask.
- VeteransVA Aid & Attendance can add to a veteran’s or surviving spouse’s pension. Ask whether residents here have used it.
- Long-term care insuranceMost policies pay for licensed care homes. Ask what paperwork the home provides for claims.
Rates at nearby homes22 nearby homes publish starting rates of $3,500 to $11,700
22 homes like this within 5 miles publish starting rates mostly between $3,800–$6,500.
- Flowers Family CareSanta Ana · 1.4 mi · Small home$3,800Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Mirage Manor Home CareAnaheim · 3.3 mi · Small home$4,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- A.C.E. Advanced Care for ElderlyAnaheim · 3.6 mi · Small home$5,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living private room · seen September 9, 2026
- Cyecrest Guest HomeOrange · 3.6 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Beverly Residential CareGarden Grove · 3.7 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Golden Touch Guest HomeFountain Valley · 3.8 mi · Small home$5,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Arms of Care Senior LivingFountain Valley · 3.9 mi · Small home$7,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living private room · seen September 9, 2026
- Suncoast Senior CareTustin · 4.0 mi · Small home$8,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living one bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Rose Garden Board and CareOrange · 4.1 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- The Orange ManorOrange · 4.2 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- South Home CareAnaheim · 4.3 mi · Small home$6,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living private room · seen September 9, 2026
- Alper's Care HomeGarden Grove · 4.4 mi · Small home$3,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Arabella Care VillaAnaheim · 4.4 mi · Small home$3,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Flowers Family Care 2Orange · 4.5 mi · Small home$3,800Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- CaringbridgeAnaheim · 4.5 mi · Small home$4,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Amparo Elder Care HomeOrange · 4.7 mi · Small home$5,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Traditions at Lucero WayTustin · 4.7 mi · Small home$7,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living private room · seen September 9, 2026
- Allen's Palm Cove Residence CareAnaheim · 4.8 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Care of Heart for Elderly in OrangeOrange · 4.8 mi · Small home$4,500Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
- Addie's Cottage Senior LivingAnaheim · 4.9 mi · Small home$5,200Listed on Seniorly · seen September 9, 2026
- Silverado Senior Living-Tustin HaciendaTustin · 4.9 mi · Mid-size home$11,700Listed on Seniorly · memory care studio · seen September 9, 2026. We don’t have this home’s dementia-care disclosure. California requires a home that advertises dementia care to describe that care in writing when you ask.
- Sunshine Retirement HomeVilla Park · 5.0 mi · Small home$5,000Listed on Seniorly · assisted living shared bedroom · seen September 9, 2026
How this estimate worksWithin 25% for 7 in 10 homes in testing
Covelight’s estimate starts from the rates 22 small homes and similar homes within 5 miles publish, then adjusts for this home’s size, state care approvals, Medi-Cal waiver participation, years licensed and the area’s prices. In testing, the likely range held the real rate for 6 in 10 homes. This home’s own rate is not on file.
- Only prices a home put out itself count: its own website, a listing it supplied, or a price Seniorly says the home confirmed. Prices a listing site shows without saying where they came from are left out.
- Nearby homes are the nearest of the same size that publish a rate, widening from 3 to 40 miles until at least 8 do. The estimate starts from what they charge, then adjusts for this home’s size, state care approvals, Medi-Cal waiver participation, years licensed and the area’s prices.
- Room, care-level, second-person and move-in lines come from what California homes publish on listing sites. Memory care uses Covelight’s researched premium over assisted living.
- Totals add each line’s figure and combine the lines’ ranges as separate charges, because a home is rarely at the top, or the bottom, of every line at once.
- We tested this estimate on 1,546 California homes that publish their own starting rate. It was within 10% of the real rate for 3 in 10 homes and within 25% for 7 in 10; the likely range held the real rate for 6 in 10 (September 12, 2026).
- It cannot see this home’s specials, how it assesses care, or which rooms are open.
Avoid surprises on the billWhat changes the price, and what to ask
- The care level
Some homes charge one all-inclusive rate. Others add levels or points as needs grow. Ask how the level is set, who decides, and what the next level costs.
- What is billed separately
Medication management, incontinence supplies, transportation and a second person in the room are often extra. Ask for the list in writing.
- Move-in costs
A one-time move-in fee or deposit is common. Ask what it covers and whether any of it comes back if the stay is short.
- Increases
California requires at least 90 days’ written notice, with reasons, before a rate rises (Health & Safety Code §1569.655). A change in the resident’s care level is the section’s own exception and can be billed sooner.
An estimate for planning, not a quote. A home sets the price after hearing about the care needed.
Daily life
Daily life here is not on file yet. Most small homes haven’t published it, and that says nothing about the home.
The best way to see it is a visit.
Request a tourWhere it is
13032 Laird Street, Garden Grove, CA 92843Address from the public record · October 26, 2026. Confirm the entrance with the home before visiting.
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- Garden Grove Hospital and Medical CenterHospital · General acute care, on the state’s list0.8 mi
Straight-line distances; check the drive or the walk. Hospital: the nearest general acute care hospital on the state’s list (CDPH, September 16, 2026).
Open directionsThe state record
California inspects every licensed home and publishes what it found. A citation does not make a home unsafe, and an empty file does not make a home good.
CDSS public record, read October 26, 2026 · License #306006624 · See the state’s own record
The last 36 months — 4 of 4 documents
20261 state visit · 1 document
May 22, 2026Facility evaluation reportRoutine visitReport on file
Type of visit: Required - 1 Year
Licensing Program Analyst (LPA) Jessica Cho arrived at the facility unannounced for the purpose of conducting the Required 1-Year annual evaluation using the CARE Inspection Tool. LPA was greeted and granted entry by Caregiver Eddie Agnote after introducing self and stating the reason for the visit. Administrator's Assistant (Admin Asst.) Mary Christine Alfaro followed by Administrator Claudia Olteanu shortly arrived to assist with the inspection. Administrator Claudia Olteanu has a valid certificate expiring on June 13, 2026. The following was observed during the inspection accompanied by Caregiver Agnote: This is Residential Care Facility for the Elderly (RCFE) vendorized by the Regional Center of Orange County. This is a level 6 home. The facility is located in a residential neighborhood comprised of four private resident bedrooms and two resident full bathrooms. LPA observed four residents in care, none of which are currently on hospice and bedridden. LPA observed three staff present and two on duty. Facility is operating within the conditions and limitations specified on the license. LPA toured the physical plant. LPA inspected all common areas including the attached two car garage and all resident bedrooms. The resident bedrooms' were appropriately furnished, beds and bedding supplies were in good condition, adequate lighting was provided, and sufficient storage space for each residents' personal belongings were observed. Facility appeared clean, sanitary, and in good repair as well as the bathrooms. Slip resistant mats were observed to be available. The hot water temperature in the resident bathrooms measured within range measuring at 118.0 and 118.5 degrees Fahrenheit. Toxins, disinfectants, sharps, and medications were secured and inaccessible. LPA observed ample two-day supply of perishables and seven-day supply of non-perishable food. LPA toured the exterior portion of the facility. The Additional Dwelling Unit (ADU) is approved per the fire clearance. LPA observed two bedrooms and one bathroom designated for staff. The outdoor passageway is free of obstruction, and there are sufficient seating and shading in the patio area. There are no bodies of water on premise and two sheds are secured and inaccessible. The first aid kit contains all necessary elements. The two fire extinguishers were mounted, charged, and serviced on January 22, 2026. The auditory devices and smoke/carbon monoxide detectors were tested and operational in all areas. Facility maintains emergency food, water. and disaster supplies. A working telephone (714) 583-8555 was tested and remains available. Complaint Poster, 'See Something, Say Something,' (PUB 475) was available and posted in the entry way in the correct size. LPA reviewed four residents and two personnel files. No discrepancies noted. Present staff are background cleared and associated to the facility. Staff met their annual 40 and 20 hour training. The Emergency Disaster Plan (LIC610E) was reviewed. Disaster drills of various scenarios are conducted quarterly with the last known date was April 14, 2026. Medications were audited for two of four residents. Admin will verify the order for a medication for Resident #1 (R1). Based on the observations made during today's visit, no deficiency is being cited. An exit interview was conducted with Administrator Claudia Olteanu and Administrator's Assistant Mary Christine Alfaro, and a copy of this report was provided at exit.the state’s words, verbatim · CDSS document, May 22, 2026
20253 state visits · 3 documents
Apr 15, 2025Facility evaluation reportPrelicensingReport on file
Type of visit: Prelicensing
Licensing Program Analyst (LPA) Alvaro Ramirez, Jr. conducted an announced visit to the facility to conduct the pre-licensing inspection. LPA met with Applicant Abel Marica and toured the facility. An initial application to operate a Residential Care Facility for the Elderly (RCFE) was submitted to Community Care Licensing (CCL) on September 05, 2024. The facility is to have a capacity of six residents, (1) ambulatory, (4) non-ambulatory and (1) bedridden residents. Applicant requested a Hospice Waiver for (6). Facility phone number is 714-583-8555. LPA observed the following. Structure: The facility is a one-story house with four resident bedrooms, two full size bathrooms, a living room, a kitchen, a dining room, and a garage Accessory Dwelling Unit. LPA observed the See Something, Say Something poster (PUB 475) in the facility mounted on the wall by entryway. There is one gate by the front entrance. There is a shaded seating area and LPA did not observe any obstacles or hazards in the backyard. Air/Heating: Central air/heating system installed with a central panel to control entire house. Resident Bedrooms: There are four resident bedrooms. All resident bedrooms had the required furnishings. LPA observed all beds had linens and blankets. CONTINUED ON LIC809-C... Bathrooms: All bathrooms are clean and have working plumbing. Hot water measured between 111.2-113.1 degrees Fahrenheit. Linens & Hygiene Supplies: A supply of extra linen for each resident was stored in the closet by the residents' bedroom hallway. Emergency Phone Numbers, Exit Plan & Menu: Posted & readily available for review an emergency disaster plan with means of exiting and emergency phone numbers listed. Menu was posted and available. Menu available and posted on the board. Food Service: There are no residents living in the facility at this time. There is 7-day non-perishable food supply on hand. Smoke Detectors/Carbon Monoxide Detectors: Smoke detectors/carbon monoxide detectors are hardwired and tested operational. Fire extinguishers were charged, mounted and one was located by the entryway and one by the residents' bedroom hallway. Appliances: There is one gas stove, one oven, microwave oven mounted above the stove, a refrigerator, dishwasher, washer, and dryer. All appliances are clean and operational. Toxins: All and any toxic chemicals, cleaning solutions, laundry toxins and disinfectants are inaccessible to residents and will be stored in locked cabinets under the kitchen and restroom sinks. Water Temperature: Hot water was measured in all bathrooms. Hot water measured between 111.2-113.1 degrees Fahrenheit. Medications, First-Aid Kit & Book: The first aid kit and the first aid manual are stored in a cabinet next to the dining room. The first aid kit has all the required elements. Medications will be stored in locked cabinet next to dining room. Resident & Staff Files: The resident and staff records will be kept in a locked cabinet in the living room. Reading Material, Games, Equipment & Materials: The activities plan include playing card games, books, newspaper reading and outings. Fire clearance: Fire Clearance approved by a fire inspector of Orange County Fire Authority on November 20, 2024. Special conditions noted, "Garage ADU approved for staff only; no client use. All bedrooms approved for ambulatory clients. Bedroom 1: Non-ambulatory. Bedroom 2: Non-ambulatory or bedridden. Bedroom 3: Non-ambulatory." Component III: Conducted at the Pre-Licensing visit, information provided about how to operate the facility within compliance and reporting requirements. LPA advised Applicant to use the general email address: CCLASCPOrangeCountyRO@dss.ca.gov for inquiries and to submit incident reports. The applicant has met all pre-licensing requirements. LPA will submit notification to CAB (Central Applications Bureau) in Sacramento for final review prior to license being issued. Applicant was informed today that the final approval will be processed by CAB in Sacramento. Exit interview was conducted and a copy of this report was left with the applicant.the state’s words, verbatim · CDSS document, Apr 15, 2025
Mar 12, 2025Facility evaluation reportOfficeReport on file
Type of visit: Office
Component II completion: Successful Facility Type: RCFE Application Type: CHOW Capacity: 6 Census (if any clients in care): 0 COMP II Participants: Abel Marica (Board Member/Administrator) Interview Method: Virtual interview via Microsoft Teams On March 12, 2025, applicant/administrator participated in COMP II. Identification of the applicant and administrator was verified through interview questions based on photo ID and other identifying personal information. During COMP II, applicant and administrator confirmed that they have read and understand community care facility licensing laws included in the Health and Safety Codes and the California Code of Regulations Title 22. Signed LIC 809 with copy of photo ID have been obtained. During COMP II, CAB analyst confirmed Applicant/Administrator’s understanding of following areas: 1. Facility operation: License type, client/resident populations, and program 2. Admission Policies 3. Staffing requirements & Training 4. Restrictive/Prohibited Health Conditions 5. General provisions 6. Emergency Preparedness 7. Complaints & Reporting 8. Pre-licensing readinessthe state’s words, verbatim · CDSS document, Mar 12, 2025
Mar 3, 2025Facility evaluation reportOfficeReport on file
Type of visit: Office
Component II completion: Successful Facility Type: RCFE Application Type: CHOW Capacity: 6 Census (if any clients in care): 0 COMP II Participants: Claudia Olteanu (CEO/Administrator) Interview Method: Virtual interview via Microsoft Teams On March 03, 2025, applicant/administrator participated in COMP II. Identification of the applicant and administrator was verified through interview questions based on photo ID and other identifying personal information. During COMP II, applicant and administrator confirmed that they have read and understand community care facility licensing laws included in the Health and Safety Codes and the California Code of Regulations Title 22. Signed LIC 809 with copy of photo ID have been obtained. During COMP II, CAB analyst confirmed Applicant/Administrator’s understanding of following areas: 1. Facility operation: License type, client/resident populations, and program 2. Admission Policies 3. Staffing requirements & Training 4. Restrictive/Prohibited Health Conditions 5. General provisions 6. Emergency Preparedness 7. Complaints & Reporting 8. Pre-licensing readinessthe state’s words, verbatim · CDSS document, Mar 3, 2025
License holder
Ram Care Home Inc., licensed since 2025.
The state’s totals for this licenseSince 2025, as the state’s facility page counts them
- State visits on file
- 4
- Total complaints
- 0
- Substantiated allegations
- 0
- Type A citations
- 0
- Type B citations
- 0
These are the state’s own totals for this license since 2025, per CDSS records. The state counts them apart from the documents above, and they can differ from what those documents show; the documents say what each visit found. One complaint can contain several allegations.
Compare with homes the same size
| This home | Typical | |
|---|---|---|
| Type A citations | 0 | 0 |
| Type B citations | 0 | 0 |
| Substantiated allegations | 0 | 0 |
| Total complaints | 0 | 0 |
“Typical” is the statewide median for licensed homes this size. It does not adjust for years licensed, and older licenses have had more visits and reports. The median is across the 6,916 licensed small board-and-care homes (6 or fewer beds) in the state record. The figures compared are the state’s totals, not the documents.
What the state’s words mean
CDSS citation definitions (PDF) ↗ · CDSS complaint outcomes ↗
An “unsubstantiated” complaint is not a finding of wrongdoing — it means the state investigated and could not confirm the allegation. Outcome words are the state’s own; we never grade, score, or color a record, and we publish no reviews — the state’s dated documents stand in their place.
Frequently asked questions
A citation does not make a home unsafe, and an empty file does not make a home good.
Quick answers about Palms Bay Guest Home
Is Palms Bay Guest Home licensed?
The state lists this license as “Licensed,” per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
How many residents is Palms Bay Guest Home licensed for?
6 residents — a small home, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
Has Palms Bay Guest Home been cited?
0 Type A and 0 Type B citations since 2025, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026. Those records count 4 state visits over the same years.
Is Palms Bay Guest Home still open?
This license was on the CDSS roster as of November 9, 2026.
What does Palms Bay Guest Home cost?
$5,050 a month to start is a Covelight estimate, likely $4,100–$6,200. This home’s own rate is not on file. Ask: “What is the all-in monthly rate, and what would push it higher?”
Covelight’s estimate starts from the rates 22 small homes and similar homes within 5 miles publish, then adjusts for this home’s size, state care approvals, Medi-Cal waiver participation, years licensed and the area’s prices. In testing, the likely range held the real rate for 6 in 10 homes. This home’s own rate is not on file.
Among 194 other homes of a similar licensed size across Orange County that publish a starting rate, the middle half runs $4,500 to $6,000 a month, and the middle figure is $5,000 (n = 194 other homes publishing a starting rate).
Each of those is a home’s own published figure, gathered on its own date between September and October 2026 — not an average of ours, and not a survey. Similar size means small and mid-size homes counted together, and large communities counted on their own, because they are different markets.
A home outside the band is not overcharging or underpricing: a starting rate covers different things in different homes, which is the first thing to ask about.
The price is made in the phone call. Nothing here is a quote, an offer or a discount.
A starting rate is the room and the base care. California homes commonly bill care levels, medication management, supplies, transport and a second person in the room as extras. Many also charge a one-time fee at move-in. Ask for that list in writing before anything is signed.
Only prices a home put out itself count here: its own website, a listing it supplied, or a price a listing site says the home confirmed. Prices a site shows without saying where they came from are left out.
Does Palms Bay Guest Home take Medi-Cal?
On Medi-Cal’s Assisted Living Waiver: this home is not on the DHCS participation list dated October 1, 2026. Ask the program about current options. The waiver pays for care services, not room and board.
Who holds the license?
The license is held by Ram Care Home Inc., per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
Is there a hospital nearby?
Garden Grove Hospital and Medical Center is 0.8 miles away in a straight line, per the CDPH licensed-hospital list dated September 16, 2026. See licensed care homes near it.
Can Palms Bay Guest Home keep a resident on hospice?
Hospice care is approved on this license, covering up to 6 residents, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
Palms Bay Guest Home license and inspection record
- Name on the license: “PALMS BAY GUEST HOME”, per the CDSS roster as of May 25, 2025.
- License #306006624. The state lists this license as “Licensed,” per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- Licensed for 6 residents — a small home, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- Licensed to Ram Care Home Inc., per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- First licensed in 2025, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- 4 state inspection visits since 2025, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- 0 Type A and 0 Type B citations on file since 2025, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026. The same records count 4 state visits in that period.
- 0 complaints and 0 substantiated allegations on file since 2025, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
- The most recent state visit on file is May 22, 2026, per CDSS records as of October 26, 2026.
California writes these definitions for every licensed home, not for this one. CDSS citation definitions (PDF) ↗
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Starting rate
$5,795 a month to start
Listed by the home on Seniorly · September 9, 2026On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Dementia: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Bedridden: on the state record
- Map
Estimated starting rate
$4,650 a month to start
Covelight estimate · likely $3,800–$5,750On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Map
Estimated starting rate
$5,050 a month to start
Covelight estimate · likely $4,150–$6,250On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Dementia: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Bedridden: on the state record
- Map
Estimated starting rate
$4,700 a month to start
Covelight estimate · likely $3,850–$5,800On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Dementia: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Map
Estimated starting rate
$4,850 a month to start
Covelight estimate · likely $3,950–$5,950On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Map
Estimated starting rate
$4,900 a month to start
Covelight estimate · likely $4,000–$6,000On the state record
- Wheelchair: on the state record
- Dementia: on the state record
- Hospice: on the state record
- Bedridden: on the state record
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